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::   Estimates    ::


Did you receive (or expect to receive) a guesstimate from us?   Yippeee!!!

You've come to the right place to get the dirt about your guesstimate!

Hang on, though!  Before you start jumping up and down with uncontrollable joy, please read on!
 
First, we explain what kind of information your guesstimate contains and where to find this info...

Also, we explain what our guesstimates DO cover.

And, maybe more importantly, what they DO NOT cover.

 
Click here to see a sample of our estimate. (.pdf)

The sample shows where, on the estimate form, you can find info relating to the specific job being estimated.

Questions? We're always available!

Estimate Sample
Click on thumbnail to see a sample of our estimates
Ok... now that you have see a sample guesstimate,
read on to learn "how we arrived at the dollar amount(s)" we did...
 



The Path
to Failure.





Each vehicle has a UNIQUE path to failure.




» Some failures occur after many months (years, even!) of symptoms.

squeak, squeak, squeak, groaaaaaaaaaaaan, clunk. 
squeak, squeak, squeak, groaaaaaaaaaaaan, clunk.
squeak, squeak, squeak, groaaaaaaaaaaaan, clunk.



» Some failures occur without warning (suddenly).
Hi Mr Sun! Hi Mr Sky! Hello fluffy clouds!
[KA-BAM! WHOP. WHOP. WHOP. WHOP...]



» Some failures occur "neatly", with no additional damage. 
Oh.  Lookee.  A broken hose with fluid dripping out.


» Some failures are actually parts committing "auto part suicide" and taking as many other parts "down" with it, as it can.  (obviously, in order to make the 6 o'clock news...) 

Ka-BAM! BANG BANG!  Rattle. Rattle.  BANG!
Screeeeeeeeeeeeeech.
(Temperature light comes on. Engine stalls. Smoke pours from under hood.)


» » And, what's even more horrible...!  A simple failure (ruptured coolant hose) can easily turn into an "auto-parts suicide" failure (overheated, seized engine)... just by driving the vehicle a little too long after a symptom arises or sadly, just a turn of bad luck.  



The Path
to Repair.




 
Each vehicle has it's own distinct path to repair.
(each vehicle has a unique setup, unique hurdles to overcome, a unique history to cope with.)



» Some vehicles have "extra stuff" to remove... stuff that didn't come from the factory. 

PTOs. 
Plows.
Switches for "neato-stuff" and extra circuits and all sorts of electrical doo-dads.
Liftgates.
Machine gun turrets.
Roll-back bodies.
Dump bodies.
Suspension changes.


» Some vehicles have "extra stuff" to work around; stuff that nobody knows where it came from... 

7 milkcrates full of magazines and Dunkin-Donuts wrappers. 
$172.86 in pennies (or, approximately 43 lbs of stuck-together coins). 
A dump body full of snow/leaves/rocks/dead bodies of aliens. 
14 travel mugs jamming the seat fully forward (and the repair is under the dash). 
Added wiring, "Christmas Tree" style, for lights that no longer exist. 

» Some vehicles have "been there, done that"... 

Missing bolts replaced by "just weld the #!$% thing back on so we can leave this job site..."
Rust. (Hey!  It's Joisey!)
Rot.   "     "       "   
"It rolled over at a job site one day and it's never been right since..."
"It beeped one day so we ripped out all the wiring until the beeping stopped.  We never hooked it back up. That was 2 years ago." 
Victim of flatrate. 


» » When a vehicle is "fresh from the assembly-line oven", repairs are simple, cleanly performed and considered "routine".

When a vehicle is no longer "fresh", the unique experiences it has encountered add up over time; repairs are no longer simple and straightforward.



What's it Gonna Take?





  
So how do we know what a job is gonna entail? 



»We use our experience and (unrivaled!) technical skills to decide what a job might include (what parts might be required and how much time it might take).  Because of our skills and experience, we're dead on target quite often. 

But not every job according to *plan*.

So, without a crystal ball (or x-ray vision -or- "Diagnostic Dice), we really can't be 100% certain what any job MIGHT entail.   We try to be as accurate as possible, but it's still an informed, educated "GUESS".

"So now what"? you ask... "How do you come up with a price if you are not sure what is going to happen"?

Well, there are two ways to handle a situation like this:

  1. Provide a quote.
    An example of a quote would be:
  2. This job will be exactly $1,023.88
    (regardless of whether it took 10 minutes or 10 hours.
    Quotes usually "favor the house"... a "quote" is a price that includes most possible outcomes.
    So, regardless of whether a job went smoothly or was a hairball, every customer pays the same "highest" price.  If 98% of all jobs were easy, but every customer was charged for every worst possible scenario, the odds are in their favor.  Additionally, working under a quoted time frame often leads to shortcuts...and not all shortcuts are "just a quicker way"...) 


  3. Provide an estimate.
    An example of an estimate (guesstimate) would be:
  4. This job will probably be around $684.23
    (it should take "about 4 hours and need about 10 parts..."
    Estimates usually favor the client; the final invoice is ONLY for what was used and needed on THAT PARTICULAR vehicle.)   
     


We provide estimates (only) and do not provide quotes.
We feel that this is the fairest way (to everyone) of handling each individual job.   
Because 98% of jobs will be within our (reasonably) estimated time & material requirements, ALL clients will pay a fair price and not overpay.


Why don't we just provide quotes and rake in the cash?
We feel that providing quotes can make you a lot of money "in the beginning", but over time...customers wise up and go elsewhere.  We feel that a business that provides quotes is looking only at "the short term".
Our business has been around for more than 18 years and we still have our first customer.  This is the kind of company we run.  And we're pround of that. 



(And yes, we know you've heard of "that book".  The "book" that just tells us how much to charge.  What you have probably heard of is called a labor guide.)  (click to read a little about labor guides.)




What happens if...?





  
So what happens if...? 



How do I make sure you don't go over a certain dollar amount?
To help squish your fears of (guess)timates run-amok, you can stipulate a dollar limitation right on the (guess)timate itself.
 

Can you guarantee the job will be completed in the (guess)timated time?
No. It's (guess)timated.


What happens if it isn't completed in the (guess)timated time?
We stop the job and discuss with you your options to continue.
For example, let's say you bring in a vehicle for diagnosis: we may have not isolated the problem in the estimated time.  If this happens, we'll halt where we are and discuss your further options with you.
In another example, if we are replacing an engine part and discover overheat damage that occured previously (and weren't told about-so wouldn't expect), we'd halt the job at the point of discovery and discuss with you your further options.   



What if I choose not to proceed any further? 
That's okay!  We often advise customers not to "sink too much money" into a vehicle.  The work and parts that HAVE been provided are due and payable, but you'll owe nothing beyond that point.  (That's another good point about an estimate versus a quote.  A quote would make you liable for the whole shebang.) 


You guys do a lot of work for me...  can we speed up the process?
If you find yourself approving a lot of estimates from us and would like to reduce the paperwork burden and delay, we have a Budget & Purchase Order form you can fill out that helps guide us.
It's not required, but some companies prefer the additional control it provides.






"The Labor Guide"
.




Don't you guys have a book that just says "Charge $XXX.00"?



What you are probably thinking of is what's called a labor guide.  A labor guide is a book (or computer program) that lists common tasks performed on vehicles and the approximate time it might take to do a particular task on a particular year, make and model car.  (The guide also tries to adjust for variations, like manual versus automatic transmission.)

However, most labor guides ONLY involve cars and light trucks (up a one-ton pickup).  They do NOT include medium and heavy trucks, and they certainly don't cover anything like trailers, plows, dump bodies, etc. 

Additionally, labor guides are written for "new(ish)" cars and the guides don't account for regional differences like road salt or desert temperatures.  Once the vehicle has started to decay or mice have moved in under the hood, labor times are pretty much out the window.   Most labor guides even have a written "disclaimer" in the front saying "once the vehicle has been driven off the new car lot, these times no longer apply."  The publishers suggest that a repair shop just add "some bit of time" to make up for seized bolts, rusted parts and mouse fraternity houses made from your vehicle's wiring, but WE NEVER KNOW HOW MUCH TIME TO ADD.  We're never really sure if it was just two mice drinking alone on a weeknight, or a full out party where the mice police had to be called in to break it up. 

Possibly in an attempt to be a little clearer, some labor guides give a low, a medium, and a high estimate of time.   Maybe it's an attempt to be less clear.  We don't know.

Lastly, while we have no opinion (because we don't get to use any labor guides), we have heard from many automotive mechanics that labor guides are off wildly; one job might actually take 2 hours and the labor guide says it should take 4 hours and another job might take 4 hours where the book suggests 2 would suffice.  





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